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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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fear

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is trepidation of the unknown

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane

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my name is lon stripler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory

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but for new knowledge of the

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supernatural

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come on board as we begin this adventure

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together

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good evening and welcome to another

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episode of arcane radio where we explore

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the unexplained live on beyond

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explanation

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i'm your host lon strickler coming to

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you within a cannon shot of the hallowed

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fields of gettysburg pennsylvania thanks

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for joining me

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so tonight uh timothy renner is our

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guest he's an illustrator author and

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folk musician living in pennsylvania his

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illustrations have appeared in the pages

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of various magazines books fanzines

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comics as well as uh many records and cd

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covers since 1995 timothy has been

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making music both solo and with his band

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stone breath

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tim is the creator of strange familiars

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a podcast concerning the paranormal

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weird history folklore and the occult

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he makes regular appearances on

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paranormal radio shows

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this show

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where did the road go and has appeared

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as a guest on many other podcasts and

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radio programs including coast to coast

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am

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tim has written six titles including his

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most recent double volume of where the

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footprint ends which he co-authored with

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josh cutchen

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so uh tim thanks for coming on tonight

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lon thanks for having me always love

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being here with you i appreciate it and

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i know you're a busy guy and you've been

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you've been writing a lot lately and i

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know how that is oh yeah uh but uh you

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know kind of give us an uh an update on

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what you've been up to and what you're

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planning on writing about

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yeah well my my most recent book

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is uh it's it's not generally available

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on amazon and such yet um because we did

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a special edition put up here it's

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called the witch cloud oh okay

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it's a it's a slim volume but uh we did

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it uh it's kind of a book and an

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so when you buy the it's a hardcover

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book when you buy the hardcover book you

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get a download of the audio but it's not

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just me reading the text

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uh what this is is it's an investigation

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of two haunted bridges in gettysburg

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uh sax covered bridge and

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the so-called suicide bridge right

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uh and

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so in the you know the audiobook instead

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of just me reading the interview i

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actually clip in the actual audio of the

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interview

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uh and if i talk about sounds we heard

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on the bridge with a lot of poltergeist

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activity on that uh eisenhower bridge

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it's what locals call suicide bridge

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over there crazy poltergeist activity

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there so we had a lot of bangs and

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knocks and stuff and instead of just

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talking about them where i could where i

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captured on tape i actually clip in the

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sound so if i'm talking about the sounds

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you actually hear the sounds so it's

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kind of like a multimedia book project i

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uh so eventually that'll be on on amazon

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but of course you're not going to get

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the download with it on amazon it'll

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just be in book form there

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but right now you can get that uh

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directly from me you can find it

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all my links are expensive.com but you

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can find that at our etsy shop which we

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have links there or on

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our bandcamp page since it's an audio

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download i had to get that because that

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that interests me a lot you know i load

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the battlefield and um

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now that suicide bridge which bridge are

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you referring to so it's john eisenhower

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bridge okay it's right across from the

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eisenhower farm oh okay i know which one

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you're talking about

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really and i you know i've never even

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heard of anything happening over there

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oh my goodness so the first time i heard

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about that i was at a paranormal event

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you know conference up in scranton

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i was new to it i think it might have

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been the first conference i ever did

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i think i had one book at the time you

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know i'm sitting at a table behind my

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book not a lot of action going on at my

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table at the time nobody knew who i was

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so i'm kind of eavesdropping next to me

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with this group of ghost hunters

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and i heard one of them say oh the the

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scariest place in gettysburg is suicide

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bridge

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and they described they said we went

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there one night and something was

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banging on the bridge something was

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banging on the bridge and i just put

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mental note in my head i was like okay i

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need to check this place out

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i went there the first time in i think

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was 2016

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with um

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adam from the conspira normal podcast he

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had been up here visiting and we just

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decided to go to gettysburg and i said

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hey i heard about this suicide bridge

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let's go there you know i heard about

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this place

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so we went there and frankly i was kind

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of unimpressed i went with him and

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not much happened i did take a photo

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that had a

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weird light in it

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but i didn't see that till after you

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know i got home and looked at my photos

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so it's kind of like eh and i did a lot

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of research like so the locals will tell

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you people killed themselves on the

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bridge and people hang themselves from

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the bridge they said

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i did all the research i could do on the

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place and never once found any evidence

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of that it's just it's just a story

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mm-hmm

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so i kind of wrote it off it's kind of

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ah you know it's one of those places

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people talk about but nothing much

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happens there

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well then i went again uh

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me and my buddy chad he's kind of the

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investigation partner

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um we were in gettysburg we were night

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hike in the battlefields and

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battlefields closed at 10. so we we were

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done at 10

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had to get off the fields and i was like

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well where do you want to go well hey

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let's go you know i told him about this

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place i said i don't think much you know

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of it but let's go and check it out

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again

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well my goodness the second time we went

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it was nuts and uh we met people on the

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bridge we met witnesses on the bridge

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were literally like shaking they're like

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there's a couple and they're like

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holding each other close and like oh my

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god you know this place is nuts and i'm

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like what

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and from that night it just

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just like i said just bangs and on the

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bridge and

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a lot of knocks and stuff a lot of

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poltergeist type stuff and people

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were saying well it's the bridge

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expanding and contracting

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well we've had this all times a year

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these sounds we've had in the middle of

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winter we've had it in the summer we've

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had it

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you know two in the morning when the

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temperature changes should be you know

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should be well done for the day

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and the knocks come from the bridge they

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come from underneath the bridge they

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come from the wooden part of the bridge

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the metal part of the bridge is it's an

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iron bridge and they come from the area

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around the bridge you can hear them in

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the trees and stuff around so

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it's not the bridge expanding

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contracting it's it's

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genuinely weird it's a genuinely weird

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i've been i've been impressed by it and

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you know we had two nights i think in

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the book i cover four visits

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we had two that were pretty intense and

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then another one that was just kind of

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yeah you know you can't guarantee

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stuff's gonna happen every time you go

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someplace but

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the two nights we had that were

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intense were enough to convince me that

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uh there's something to this place well

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i'm going to check that out yeah i'll go

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out there with you oh absolutely i'd

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love to go out there now saxbridge now

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everybody i think everybody in the world

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knows about saxbridge

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so you know i have experienced a lot of

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things out there

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uh i've seen apparitions seeing a lot of

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a lot of smoky type

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apparitions and

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a lot of orbs and such

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what did you guys what did you

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experience while you were out there

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well the thing with saxbridge is

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it's such a popular place

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that it's hard to get a moment there

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alone

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yeah i agree i know all night long

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especially if the weather's warm like

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now in the winter you might be able to

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get some time there but

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if it's warm enough to be outside and

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it's kind of enjoyed the night that

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bridge is going to be packed right

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there's usually ghost hunters there and

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they they come and they they have

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suitcases of equipment they'll just

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unload and

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people are walking around with you know

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those phone apps and

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and stuff that are supposed to find

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ghosts you know they're holding their

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phone up and everybody has ghost boxes

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and everything and and so we didn't we

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just didn't get a lot of alone time on

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the bridge and and

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i think part of it is um

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at least part of our theory with this

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with the at least with the uh eisenhower

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bridge the the iron bridge

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is that um

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whatever's there like if there's might

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be drawing energy from us

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got a bigger source to draw from

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again this is just we don't know this is

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just a kind of a working theory that

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that's a that's a good that's a good um

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theory i mean i'll be honest that's a

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good theory and i i agree with that um

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yeah because i've been out there alone

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several times and it's like

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you know that's when i'm you're alone

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it's you know a lot more happens

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yeah

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it seems like crazy like it can be nuts

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but and again we just didn't have a lot

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of alone time

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unfortunately on saks bridge um chad had

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experienced some stuff there at like

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five in the morning by himself he got to

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talk about

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we did have we went in the woods beyond

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sachs bridge

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and got away from people and we had some

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interesting stuff there and and i talked

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to somebody else who'd been out there

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and he said you know on the bridge i

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didn't get much but when i got away from

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it into those woods

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that's when we got some stuff nothing

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too

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you know uh mind-blowing the the

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interesting thing about saxbridge that

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kind of tied in with the whole project

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is the um

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the story of the the supposed hang

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soldiers there

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there's three confederate soldiers that

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were hanging there

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great story i don't know if it's true if

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you look back there's no proof of this

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but

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soldiers there and i have seen one i

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believe people when they say that yeah

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so it's almost like

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are we talking about

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you know traditional ghosts meaning the

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souls of dead people are we talking

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about something else

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that's sort of mock you know using that

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residual right yeah yeah

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and so that that's the question the the

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kind of the nature of of

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ghosts in general but particularly the

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ghosts that are in that area

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that we talk about a little bit in the

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book and again it's all you know

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you know so much of this stuff is is

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you come up with theories and you test

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them and

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you never know if they're right or wrong

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but you know

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you know the historical accounts that i

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came across because you know i've been

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looking into a lot of this stuff for

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years

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was now i don't know the stories you

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heard about sex but

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basically

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when the confederates were withdrawing

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from gettysburg

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they had captured several uh

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awol

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yes yep and those are the ones they were

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hanging from the bridge basically as a

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warning to anybody else who got the idea

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that if they wanted to take off this is

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what was going to happen right yeah uh i

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do know

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that

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when they were withdrawing

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they had limited space as far as wagons

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and stuff and

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a lot of a lot of times what they did

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was the soldiers who were critically

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injured or close to death they would

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take them and lay them

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on the banks of the of the creek

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so you know that's where they you know

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they would die at

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and

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you know i only found a couple counts

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that ever mentioned this these were in

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private letters from soldiers

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but uh that seems to be what happened

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that's interesting and that's

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you know again it's hard to prove the

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hanging thing like it's just

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it's a story that every that they tell

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and and

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uh some historians seem to give it

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credence and others say you know they

379
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don't know

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um but that sounds real

381
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absolutely logical like they're just

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gonna leave

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people there along the creeks i mean

384
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yeah uh and in fact

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a lot of times

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and you know what and i know at

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gettysburg it happened uh a lot of the

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soldiers who were in really bad shape

389
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were just left

390
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figuring that the the the union would

391
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the unions uh the sanitary commission

392
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then would take care of these these

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soldiers yeah uh

394
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but yeah that's that's from what i

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understand happened now of course many

396
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of the soldiers they recovered they

397
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probably died anyway in a camp

398
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but uh

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yeah

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that's that that's from what i

401
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understand now

402
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i don't know you know you're right you

403
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know you don't know how true it is

404
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yeah

405
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i did turn up some other interesting

406
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stories there's a story i turned up of

407
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um

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uh i know that

409
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we don't use the term in modern times

410
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gypsy i know they prefer romney it's not

411
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the term but in the papers they referred

412
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to him as gypsies that had camped right

413
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there along will be run which is right

414
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where eisenhower bridges right and they

415
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were uh

416
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they tried to run him out of town this

417
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is in the early 1900s

418
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and uh they i guess the sheriff arrested

419
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him

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and they had to pay their fine and then

421
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they they just had to pay a license and

422
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then they stayed there and they said

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they they were telling fortunes right

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there along the bank and they said we're

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staying just long enough to make our

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money back and then we'll then we'll

427
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leave

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so that was an interesting detail

429
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i found there i thought that was

430
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interesting that you know they here we

431
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have fortune tellers along the bank of

432
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will be run

433
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and uh no i didn't find any suicides and

434
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i asked i ran into some local um

435
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the guides for ghost hunters there

436
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and i heard one telling the story one

437
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night very nice guy named clinton

438
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and he's he's telling his group the

439
00:15:12,550 --> 00:15:10,959
story about some guy who killed himself

440
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on the bridge and and i just waited till

441
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he was done i said hey do you mind if i

442
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ask you a question i know i'm not on

443
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your tour i don't want to take up your

444
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time he's like oh no go ahead i said

445
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where does that story come from and he

446
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kind of paused he's like i think it's

447
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just folklore i don't like okay

448
00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:27,440
all right but i did find a story a

449
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couple stories of

450
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from the early 1900s somebody ran his

451
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horse into the sidewall of the bridge

452
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there and they had to put a horse down

453
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on the bridge which is a pretty

454
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that's a pretty rough thing

455
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and then uh in the 80s a guy

456
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used to be able to drive on the bridge

457
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he can't anymore

458
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and a guy was coming down

459
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red rock road which the bridge comes off

460
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of and he didn't make the turn and he

461
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flipped his truck over into the creek

462
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right at the bridge and he died there so

463
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there there is some differences

464
00:16:02,629 --> 00:16:00,880
yeah

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there it's just i just that's the

466
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suicides i just i don't think so i just

467
00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:06,160
haven't found him

468
00:16:10,629 --> 00:16:08,959
well now we're talking about gettysburg

469
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what are your favorite spots there i

470
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mean as far as activity

471
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well

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it i mean right now it's that it's that

473
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eisenhower bridge i think it had so much

474
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there uh that i will go back there every

475
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time devil's den has always been

476
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fruitful uh for me i've i've never never

477
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had anything as far as like apparitions

478
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i've seen some amazing photos though

479
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that people have taken there of

480
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operations that have been just stunning

481
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uh but one guy put one up in some

482
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facebook group and it showed

483
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like a whole gathering of soldiers and

484
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these weren't reenactors i mean if they

485
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were

486
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you know i think he was there

487
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very early in the morning and

488
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just just this amazing group of

489
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would look like apparitions to me this

490
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person had taken

491
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in the triangle field right there next

492
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to

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that's always a favorite place and

494
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uh in the woods near there we've uh

495
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we've hiked through there at night and

496
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had some some pretty interesting stuff

497
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as well that woods is very haunted yeah

498
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uh you know from devils down through the

499
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woods back into the wheat field

500
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i've heard all kinds of stories um

501
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i had a um

502
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i had a ranger one of the rangers out

503
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there told me a story about um

504
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he had a couple women that were came up

505
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to him and complimented him on all those

506
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soldiers that were doing the reenactment

507
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out in the wheat field

508
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and he said what are you and this is

509
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during the day and he said what are you

510
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talking about just

511
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oh we saw all these union soldiers

512
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marching through the wheat field and you

513
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know in that area back which he pointed

514
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to out in the area and

515
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well those aren't reenactors we don't

516
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have any reenactors here today

517
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so uh yeah and that's about the area

518
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where i had my encounter year when i was

519
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a kid uh where everything opened up and

520
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i was i was basically part of the battle

521
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:07,039
for about 30 seconds oh wow like a like

522
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a time slip kind of thing yeah oh wow

523
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uh yeah i mean it was i was on my bike i

524
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was like 9 or 10 at the time and i used

525
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to go out there all the time when i was

526
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a kid because i used to get on my bike

527
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and ride up 116 and just go to the

528
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:21,840
battlefield oh wow because i was living

529
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,480
in hanover then and um

530
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yeah i'd spend a day there but i was

531
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coming on the access road there and back

532
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then they had the old cattle

533
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greats and everything on there as well

534
00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:34,880
but uh

535
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yeah i i had sitting on my bike right

536
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there in the valley of death right there

537
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looking up to um little round top and

538
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it's like a screen opened up

539
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:49,440
like a tv screen opened up and i was

540
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seeing soldiers

541
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smelling gun powder hearing cannon fire

542
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:56,480
the whole i'm like for 30 seconds

543
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:00,320
wow and that is the day that i really i

544
00:19:04,789 --> 00:19:02,480
realized that i had some intuitive

545
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:04,799
ability i mean i i knew i had something

546
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:06,880
going on but you know your kid you don't

547
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:08,799
know anything about it right right

548
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:11,520
but yeah ever since that time

549
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those are some of my favorite stories

550
00:19:16,870 --> 00:19:14,960
the sort of time slips that you and you

551
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,880
hear a good bit about gettysburg you

552
00:19:19,830 --> 00:19:18,640
know at least maybe because i'm local

553
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:19,840
i've heard it more about gettysburg than

554
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,400
anywhere else but yeah where people

555
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one of my favorite stories is there's

556
00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:26,080
the story of the people in the old uh is

557
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it the orphanage the old hospital or

558
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,960
whatever where they they came down the

559
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,720
doors open and then they just basically

560
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:32,160
stepped into

561
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:33,919
into a a horror show because it was

562
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:36,000
being used as a field hospital yeah in

563
00:19:41,110 --> 00:19:39,039
that in that word the uh the old uh

564
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:41,120
hall of presidents was or something i

565
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:44,000
think so i think around that area yeah

566
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,840
yeah and just some amazing stories of

567
00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:47,679
that and so fascinating and then the

568
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,520
stories where people

569
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:51,280
pick up soldiers as hitchhikers

570
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,640
essentially and you know they'll

571
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,919
actually like climb in the back of their

572
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:55,840
trucks and stuff and yeah

573
00:20:01,750 --> 00:19:59,280
you know just amazing stories with that

574
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,760
gettysburg is a special place it has

575
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:03,120
kind of a

576
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,799
you know has kind of what i call a ghost

577
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,559
economy there where they have these

578
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,000
tours and stuff and i think because of

579
00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:09,760
that some people kind of it gets a

580
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,640
little cheesy sometimes yeah but it it's

581
00:20:16,149 --> 00:20:14,880
an amazing place it really is and

582
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,159
i always tell people

583
00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:17,840
visit during the day

584
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,520
and and take it all in but stay till

585
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,440
night because the whole atmosphere

586
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:23,360
changes at night it really becomes a

587
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:24,720
different place

588
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,919
yep

589
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:27,520
it does

590
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:31,200
and i we we stayed a couple nights there

591
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:32,480
recently

592
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:33,600
you know even though it's just down the

593
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,640
street

594
00:20:38,390 --> 00:20:36,320
i um

595
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:38,400
and it does you can kind of sense it you

596
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:39,600
know i

597
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:41,840
you know we were out of devil's den then

598
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:44,159
of course i always go up to the 20th

599
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,120
main

600
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:47,039
uh uh

601
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:48,880
infantry line up there and you know we

602
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:50,159
went up there and of course there's

603
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,760
always tours there

604
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,480
uh the the the uh

605
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,120
the army college always brings soldiers

606
00:21:01,990 --> 00:20:58,880
in there for tours

607
00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:02,000
but every time i go it's like i i just

608
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,440
sense

609
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,159
what's going on there it it it it never

610
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:08,559
fails yeah yeah it's it's an amazing

611
00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:11,360
place i just i love it and we're lucky

612
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:13,760
you know to be into this kind of stuff

613
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,280
as close to gettysburg as we are we're

614
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,280
very very lucky

615
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,840
well and now you know not talking about

616
00:21:23,510 --> 00:21:21,440
gettysburg and going a little further

617
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,520
west of route 30 you know

618
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:25,440
then we talked about

619
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:29,440
up to uh misho and uh bigfoot activity

620
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:30,640
and

621
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,600
for years uh have you been up there

622
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,880
lately

623
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:38,960
uh yeah i went

624
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,880
um

625
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:42,799
this is a pretty crazy thing

626
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:45,840
um we were in

627
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:49,120
kadura state park which is in hanover

628
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,640
and

629
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,679
we got permission to night hike there

630
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:55,919
oh good did you okay and yeah we got the

631
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,760
the rangers gave us permission which is

632
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:58,960
pretty nice

633
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,760
uh

634
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:01,600
state parks will do that county parks

635
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,039
not so much

636
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:04,640
but uh

637
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:06,000
you know we got permission we told them

638
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,200
we're not gonna be you know hunting

639
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,880
we're not lighting fires we're just just

640
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,320
gonna be hunting

641
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,520
and we're in there and uh

642
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,120
we

643
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:17,440
heard some strange stuff

644
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,720
and we came around lake marburg

645
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,120
and we were standing on the shore of it

646
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:26,000
and uh we started seeing some some weird

647
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:29,440
lights in the woods um

648
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,880
just kind of

649
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:33,280
you know they link on and blink off

650
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,880
different colors and white and some red

651
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:38,960
and we were observing them and they had

652
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:41,840
been raped where um

653
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:43,360
there's an old cemetery in there not the

654
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,520
wildest meeting house but there's a it

655
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,280
was a wildest in church they tore down

656
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,600
when they when they built the lake

657
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,679
and there's a cemetery there and it was

658
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:53,200
about from that area that we were seeing

659
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:54,480
these lights

660
00:22:58,149 --> 00:22:55,919
and that's about where we had we had

661
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,159
heard these sounds before

662
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:00,080
and then as as we're watching these

663
00:23:05,110 --> 00:23:02,880
lights we we saw a ufo come up from the

664
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,120
back of the lake behind the trees it

665
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,640
just popped up behind the trees it

666
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:09,039
started kind of bouncing around just

667
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,480
just around light

668
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:12,240
but the way it moved it couldn't have

669
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,440
been a drone

670
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:16,159
and it couldn't have been a plane it

671
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,600
started bouncing

672
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,760
bounce up above the tree line bounce

673
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,120
below look like somebody dribbling a

674
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:22,640
ball essentially

675
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:24,960
comes up again pauses and then just

676
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,679
shoots off at lightning speed just just

677
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,760
zip and going

678
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:31,280
and

679
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,480
as we're walking out on the trail

680
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,320
this may have been before we saw the ufo

681
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:38,240
i forget which but i i told my friend i

682
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:39,760
told my buddy i said

683
00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:42,799
i am getting the strangest impression

684
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,320
that we need to go

685
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,000
there's a place in the show that we we

686
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,080
go called harry springs h

687
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,400
h a i r y harry

688
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,480
springs uh don't know why it's called

689
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,240
that it's an interesting name and we've

690
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,760
had a lot of activity there and i said i

691
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,440
don't know why i said i just got this

692
00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,039
sudden impression we need to go to harry

693
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:00,960
springs there's something there for us

694
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,279
and he said like what do you mean i said

695
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,679
i don't know a footprint or something

696
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,799
something we're going to find something

697
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,159
there

698
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,840
so

699
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,520
he goes home that night i go home that

700
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:13,200
night he has he's talking about chad

701
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:14,480
right yeah

702
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,440
okay

703
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:17,679
so chad has this dream

704
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:21,120
that we're back in qator state park

705
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,480
that

706
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,480
i had fallen on the trail and he helped

707
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,400
me up or something and then then

708
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,320
he couldn't move and he's looking at

709
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,120
these these two figures down by the lake

710
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,799
who have a fire there

711
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,760
well

712
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:35,520
they approached him then in his dream

713
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,960
and he saw that they were they were

714
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:38,000
greys

715
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:39,279
and they said

716
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,720
he started he said he started reaching

717
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,000
for his knife and they and they said

718
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,400
that won't do any good we're not real

719
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:46,640
remember and then he woke up very

720
00:24:50,710 --> 00:24:48,640
interesting dream

721
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,720
so two things happened uh first we went

722
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,640
to harry springs that was on a thursday

723
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:53,919
night we went to harry springs that

724
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,400
sunday and we're looking around and sure

725
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:58,799
enough we found a footprint

726
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:01,120
it was indistinct uh you know i didn't

727
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,480
have toes or anything it was in a real

728
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,320
kind of swampy area it was a series of

729
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:06,320
footprints actually but it was something

730
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:07,279
big

731
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,159
and

732
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:10,400
it you know it's bigger than people's

733
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,360
feet

734
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:13,360
so that was kind of shocking i was like

735
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,120
wow like did

736
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,640
i don't know why i got the impression

737
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:18,080
that we'd find foot but sure enough we

738
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,440
found footprints

739
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,320
but then uh we went back to cadorus on

740
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,840
the night of the winter solstice to do

741
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,760
another night hike we got there with

742
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,840
still some daylight left and we went i

743
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:30,080
said to chad could you find the location

744
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,360
of your dream do you know where it was

745
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,279
on the trail he said absolutely

746
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,120
and we went there and we found a huge

747
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,120
tree structure right at the location

748
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,120
where his dream was and then

749
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,000
a not a place where a campfire was but

750
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,480
we did find a log that had been burnt it

751
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,039
was definitely fire damage on a log

752
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,799
there was a fire so really really

753
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:51,279
interesting crazy stuff that that has

754
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,640
happened very woo i know but

755
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,480
i i just follow things where they leave

756
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:59,039
me you know um well you know i had one

757
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,720
and chad got to hold me about this and

758
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:02,400
i'm quite sure you know about it about

759
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:05,200
one of my early investigations

760
00:26:10,950 --> 00:26:09,039
was out there by the dam yeah and uh

761
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,960
i mean he asked me about that now i

762
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,640
don't know how much access you've got

763
00:26:15,909 --> 00:26:14,159
out there now i don't know because you

764
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:15,919
know gladfelder's got that access route

765
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:19,760
that goes to the dam but uh

766
00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:21,919
you know because it was a gladfelder

767
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:23,600
employee that's how i got on but that

768
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,440
was years ago i mean i was back in the

769
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,880
70s

770
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,080
uh but

771
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,400
yeah that was that was weird because you

772
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,799
know we were we were sitting on the road

773
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:35,039
it was four of us

774
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,640
and it was at night

775
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,679
and

776
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,919
we were sitting there after being down

777
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:41,760
in the swampy area

778
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,799
where the uh you know not very near

779
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,679
uh

780
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,279
doors creek

781
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:48,960
and um

782
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,400
we had walked up taken a break and we

783
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:54,080
saw something out on the road in front

784
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,039
of us

785
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,799
and i we couldn't tell what it was we

786
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:58,240
saw a movement it looked like a person

787
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,279
out there

788
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:02,000
and i i hit the headlights

789
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,799
and

790
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,559
it was

791
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:07,360
a black female

792
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,520
it was an apparition but black female

793
00:27:13,590 --> 00:27:10,720
but

794
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,600
she was dressed like a slave

795
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,320
and uh her head was going back and forth

796
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:19,039
like this real fast wow kept walking

797
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,640
toward us

798
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,240
and stopped

799
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,159
and the guys were freaking out you know

800
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:25,679
we're done what the hell is this you

801
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,000
know and then she turned around walked a

802
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:31,120
couple steps and disappeared wow

803
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,919
and after i i did a lot of research

804
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:35,760
after that

805
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:38,480
and of course you know this part of the

806
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,000
the country

807
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,919
the underground railroad came through

808
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:44,320
many parts of you know this

809
00:27:46,870 --> 00:27:45,360
part of

810
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,880
pennsylvania

811
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,480
and i

812
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:50,640
i believe not you know and this is after

813
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,200
i went back down i believe that

814
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,399
this woman was probably caught by

815
00:28:02,070 --> 00:27:58,960
fugitive slave people and and had her

816
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:02,080
hung there she but she died there

817
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,960
um

818
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,039
because they did a lot you know a lot of

819
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:07,360
these uh bounty hunters came up from the

820
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:09,840
south and were grabbing slaves as they

821
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:11,520
were coming across

822
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,279
and i believe that's what happened with

823
00:28:16,389 --> 00:28:14,960
her

824
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,399
that was weird

825
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,799
about you know i don't know less than

826
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:20,559
five miles away there in seven valleys

827
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,360
there's a recurring ghost story of a

828
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,120
what they call a slave woman of a black

829
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,360
woman oh i didn't know that yeah right

830
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,760
there yeah a local told me that a girl

831
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,919
grew up a girl a woman who grew up there

832
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,760
she was a girl when she saw it though

833
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:35,360
and as i was asking around you know i

834
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:37,120
just asked everybody know about weird

835
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,120
stories and she told me i'm trying to

836
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,799
remember specifically where she said

837
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,480
that they saw her it was from one of the

838
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,720
corners in seven valleys it would see

839
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:46,880
this woman

840
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,600
wow yeah so it's not far from there at

841
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,600
all no it's just right down the road

842
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,600
yeah yeah

843
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:55,440
so we um

844
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,200
yeah chad told me

845
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,640
where you were and and um he worked for

846
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,480
well what gladfelter became they're not

847
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:04,320
glad felter anymore right so he doesn't

848
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:05,760
want to go you know you know he don't

849
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:07,840
want to get fired yeah

850
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:09,440
i don't blame him i don't blame him yeah

851
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,640
i don't think we have access to that

852
00:29:14,310 --> 00:29:11,679
area

853
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:14,320
yeah yeah yeah i was lucky well i used

854
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,399
to you know my aunt and uncle had a farm

855
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,520
there

856
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,200
and um

857
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,520
up on up on huff road we used to i used

858
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,200
to walk down over the ridge and go down

859
00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,360
into good deer hunting so i was on

860
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,080
private i was on glad filter land land

861
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:30,480
but you know i didn't care yeah and uh

862
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,679
you know when you're a kid and hunting

863
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,240
you don't care and uh so i used to i

864
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:37,279
knew the place real well but um

865
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,720
my family actually had a homestead

866
00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:43,039
that was on right there

867
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,200
in that area my great grandmother and

868
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,200
grandfather had their homestead there

869
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,960
and that's where my grandfather and his

870
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,799
brothers and sisters were raised at so

871
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,480
they're all you know i got a lot of

872
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,960
family history down there but i had

873
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,120
never heard of anything like that i mean

874
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,279
you know you know the slave and this and

875
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:01,200
that but you know i had to research it

876
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:01,919
but

877
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,640
valleys i gotta check that out yeah i'll

878
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,720
talk to the person and ask her to tell

879
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:10,720
me the story again and she can give me

880
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:13,200
more details i think she had told me i

881
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,720
think it was after i had written my

882
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,799
first book she told me i didn't know

883
00:30:20,549 --> 00:30:18,240
where to put it i was like so i just

884
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,559
kind of followed it away but um i'll get

885
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,880
the details on it okay

886
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:24,240
now you know there was another

887
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,320
investigation you're working on and i

888
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,840
don't know if you still do i know you

889
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,080
had it in your book about beth and down

890
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,440
in maryland

891
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,240
uh did anything ever turn up with that

892
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,080
i actually heard from beth recently i

893
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,240
hadn't heard from her in a long time and

894
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:40,320
and uh i hope she doesn't think i i've

895
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,320
forgotten about her you know

896
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,960
the way things are with the pandemic

897
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,000
you know

898
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:48,480
i sometimes i don't even want to ride in

899
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:50,640
cars with other people you know i have

900
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,320
to be careful because my health um right

901
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:56,880
i have ms and i just can't i can't risk

902
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,919
it so sometimes i'm i'm a little

903
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,600
trepidatious about

904
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:03,919
uh you know hanging out with people in

905
00:31:07,830 --> 00:31:06,640
cars and or or inside places and stuff

906
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,840
but um

907
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,360
she said i could come down again she

908
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,960
said they her neighbors heard some

909
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:13,120
screams recently for a while it seemed

910
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,320
to die down

911
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:16,000
but she said it seems like things are

912
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,360
picking up again

913
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,360
so i plan on heading back down there

914
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:20,320
again

915
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,720
um i just basically need to make time to

916
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,559
do it now is that is that far from

917
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,960
susquehanna state park over by conowingo

918
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,360
is it it's not far at all from that yeah

919
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:31,120
right just south of there just south of

920
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,799
there in maryland yeah

921
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:34,159
okay

922
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,440
yeah because we were just down hammer

923
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,440
degrees and um

924
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,919
i i didn't even think about best plays i

925
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:41,200
wish i'd thought about them when i was

926
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,720
down there

927
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:46,710
yeah folks who don't know what was going

928
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,080
on um

929
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,320
she had seen

930
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,320
probably uh that's upright canine is

931
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,159
that what she said she thought she saw

932
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:55,600
like a giant

933
00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,159
wolf kind of thing okay and then she

934
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,320
said her her husband saw something big

935
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,480
and harry walked by the window

936
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:04,320
basically it was like

937
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:05,919
their deck is about eight feet high and

938
00:32:11,110 --> 00:32:08,240
he said he could see the top of it

939
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:11,120
coming over the deck right window so

940
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,320
something big

941
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:14,720
something very big and their neighbors

942
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:16,240
had bigfoot encounters so it seems to be

943
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,679
one of these things with like a lot of

944
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:19,760
stuff going on but but her started by

945
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:22,080
just seeing a really big wolf basically

946
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,159
a big big black wolf it was on all fours

947
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,600
when she saw it

948
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:26,960
but uh

949
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:28,399
then uh

950
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:30,159
you know they had stuff with you know

951
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:32,159
apparitions walking up the driveway they

952
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,080
had ufo stuff their neighbor killed a um

953
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:38,399
a cougar which you know

954
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:40,159
may or may not be paranormal but they're

955
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:43,120
not supposed to you know according to

956
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:44,320
well the game commission will never

957
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,840
admit to that yeah maryland and

958
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,159
pennsylvania both i've seen cougars i i

959
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,720
i've seen mountain lions in maryland oh

960
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,480
yeah i think i don't know if you know

961
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,000
where um

962
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:56,960
uh ponte run reservoir is just west of

963
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:00,240
uh eldersburg heck yeah yeah i saw one

964
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:03,440
up there yeah i'm so rude i saw one so

965
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:05,840
my dad's farm was in upperco okay

966
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:08,399
northern baltimore county i saw one two

967
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,640
days in a row in the same field at the

968
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:12,080
same time in the morning i was i used to

969
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:13,600
do telephone work and

970
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,679
we'd work out of his farmhouse

971
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:17,519
and i'd left it was 10 in the morning

972
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,880
two days in a row i was going to you

973
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,440
know the same job basically

974
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,679
and i saw this thing in the same field

975
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:25,120
in the sa at the same time of morning

976
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,960
two days in a row blew my mind i had

977
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:28,480
never seen it that you know and i'm

978
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,519
thinking

979
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:32,159
wow they're out here

980
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,519
that's uh

981
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,200
you know people

982
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,120
outside of our when we live in south

983
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,640
central pennsylvania and northern

984
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,120
maryland and north central maryland just

985
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:43,039
don't realize how much goes on around

986
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,320
here

987
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,559
and we do we get a lot of weird act a

988
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:48,480
lot of different activity

989
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,039
um of course

990
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,039
as far as bigfoot goes you know on that

991
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,000
that western shore of susquehanna river

992
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,000
in hartford county has a lot of bigfoot

993
00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,000
activity even the whole way up into

994
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:01,679
pennsylvania of course you know with the

995
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,559
alba which is up on the eastern shore

996
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,039
but uh going the whole way up into

997
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,800
your county and of course your research

998
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,200
area is up there as well

999
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,240
uh and you've seen a lot of weird stuff

1000
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,320
yeah i've you know for

1001
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:19,119
like two years ago

1002
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,879
i was getting like before the pandemic

1003
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,240
that spring

1004
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,000
uh

1005
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,839
i was getting calls

1006
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:27,760
for sightings

1007
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,200
sometimes two and three a month

1008
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:31,200
throughout that spring i was just going

1009
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:33,599
going going it was it was fantastic

1010
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,800
and then

1011
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:36,480
the next spring the pandemic i thought

1012
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,520
well

1013
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:39,200
maybe i'll get more you know it seemed

1014
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:40,639
like people were out on the trails more

1015
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,879
and stuff i barely got anything

1016
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:44,800
uh and but it seems to be picking up

1017
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,919
again now

1018
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:48,320
there's some uh other fellows that are

1019
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:50,079
that are involved that are some younger

1020
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:52,240
guys that have started contacting me who

1021
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,200
i don't know where they're picking up

1022
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,560
the sightings but they they've got some

1023
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,879
stuff from like peck way area which is

1024
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,240
you know on the on the lancaster side

1025
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:00,320
but down that area

1026
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:03,760
and um drummore which is you know same

1027
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:05,920
area basically so it seems like they're

1028
00:35:09,589 --> 00:35:07,680
picking up again i don't know why that

1029
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,599
happens i don't know why

1030
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,119
in some years you get a bunch and other

1031
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,920
years it's like crickets i i do not know

1032
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:16,079
why

1033
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,440
yeah well

1034
00:35:20,390 --> 00:35:18,880
yeah i mean there's a lot there's just a

1035
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:20,400
lot going on you know

1036
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,680
uh

1037
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,119
you know you and i have gotten some

1038
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:25,680
really weird uh

1039
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:27,440
sightings and people sending us stuff

1040
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,480
like that

1041
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:30,000
i don't know what the hell that was up

1042
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,400
in shippensburg i told you about where

1043
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,880
this guy said it was looked like a huge

1044
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,599
wolf but he wasn't sure what it was

1045
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,119
and uh

1046
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,200
i i you know i don't know you know

1047
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,800
there's been a lot of weird stuff um

1048
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,640
now there's another phenomena you've

1049
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:48,400
been talking about for a couple years

1050
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:51,440
now and i did send you something

1051
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,240
in reference to it

1052
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:56,000
that happened down maryland just south

1053
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,160
of westminster oh yeah these these

1054
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,240
flannel man

1055
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,240
talk about that a bit and

1056
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,800
uh bring people up to speed on that yeah

1057
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,640
so

1058
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:09,520
my my wife woke up one night before we

1059
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,280
were married but you know we were

1060
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,359
long-term dating at this point and we

1061
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:15,680
were staying in her parents house

1062
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,119
and

1063
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,720
one night you know just just staying

1064
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,720
over one night and we were in her

1065
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,400
childhood bedroom where she had always

1066
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,240
had she's always been uncomfortable in

1067
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:26,960
her bedroom now she's

1068
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,520
less of a hardcore skeptic than she used

1069
00:36:33,829 --> 00:36:31,920
to be but she's pretty

1070
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:33,839
she she leans to the skeptical side of

1071
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:35,280
things so when she tells you she saw

1072
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:36,160
something

1073
00:36:42,150 --> 00:36:39,839
she saw it she's not she's not messing

1074
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,160
well one night as we're sleeping there

1075
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,320
she she wakes me up she's screaming

1076
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:47,440
she's just screaming and and i wake up

1077
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:49,760
and you know before i even open my eyes

1078
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,040
just out of habit i'm like it's okay

1079
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,599
it's okay it's okay you know i that well

1080
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,520
in retrospect i should have opened my

1081
00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:57,359
eyes first and then figured out if it

1082
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,880
was okay or not

1083
00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:00,000
but uh

1084
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:01,200
you know her parents came running over

1085
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,280
what's wrong with wrong with wrong well

1086
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,800
turns out she saw

1087
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,839
a guy

1088
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,839
in in the bedroom he was wearing a red

1089
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:09,680
flannel shirt

1090
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:11,440
and she said she doesn't really remember

1091
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:13,359
whether he was holding an axe or whether

1092
00:37:15,750 --> 00:37:14,800
she kind of put an axe in his hands

1093
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,760
because he looked so much like a

1094
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,240
lumberjack he had a big beard and big

1095
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,880
big guy real big guy standing at her

1096
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:22,960
feet and looking at us and she said when

1097
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:25,280
she woke up and saw him standing there

1098
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,520
he looked shocked that he that she could

1099
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,119
see him he had a shot looking at her she

1100
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:30,480
didn't look mean or angry didn't look

1101
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,240
like he was going to attack or anything

1102
00:37:38,390 --> 00:37:34,880
he looked shocked that she could see him

1103
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,400
then she screams and he's he's gone

1104
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,480
years went by and i was reading some

1105
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:41,920
form online this is way back at the

1106
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:44,320
beginning of the internet and

1107
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,000
people are talking about you know people

1108
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:48,000
seeing this and and that's where the i

1109
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:49,520
got the name from they in this whatever

1110
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:51,200
this forum was they called it flannel

1111
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,160
man

1112
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:54,240
uh so i didn't make that up but i

1113
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,839
started talking about it on the podcast

1114
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,920
and and basically i i referenced it as

1115
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:59,440
you know even my wife the skeptic has

1116
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,800
seen something

1117
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,040
and and told her flannelman account well

1118
00:38:06,950 --> 00:38:05,200
then it just exploded

1119
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,960
i started getting people left and right

1120
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,560
tell me wait a minute i've seen this guy

1121
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,480
or you know something like him i it's

1122
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:12,160
not the same guy it doesn't seem like

1123
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:13,280
because people describe him looking

1124
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:14,400
differently but

1125
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,119
the the checked or plaid shirt seems to

1126
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,680
be the common denominator

1127
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,040
people are seeing them outside people

1128
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,040
are seeing them inside they're

1129
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,040
they're waking up like my wife did and

1130
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:27,119
that he's in the house um

1131
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,800
some people aren't encountering them

1132
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,839
like

1133
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,960
you know

1134
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:33,280
in waking life and they'll talk to this

1135
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,480
guy and they'll get some kind of weird

1136
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:35,599
vibe from them and they'll go down the

1137
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:37,280
road and have a bigfoot encounter you

1138
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:39,200
know so it's like there's something

1139
00:38:42,310 --> 00:38:41,520
about these these entities and these

1140
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,320
these

1141
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:44,160
plaid or czech shirts

1142
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,440
um

1143
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,680
you know i don't know exactly what it is

1144
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,680
john keel talked about him he talked

1145
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,839
about these entities in czech shirts

1146
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:53,440
that people were seeing he mentions it

1147
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,200
in uh mothman prophecies and in um

1148
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,440
with the strange creatures from time or

1149
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:01,119
space i forget the title of

1150
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,480
one of his other books he mentions them

1151
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:03,839
in as well

1152
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:04,560
so

1153
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,079
you know he was talking about him back

1154
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,720
in the 70s um

1155
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,280
it's they're definitely a thing

1156
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:13,520
i don't know what it is uh i'm trying to

1157
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,000
piece it together there are some legends

1158
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:18,720
about that buffalo plaid pattern

1159
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,520
uh having a lot of spiritual

1160
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:23,040
uh

1161
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:24,000
power

1162
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,359
uh the

1163
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,880
i think some of the native americans

1164
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,800
when

1165
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:30,960
the scottish brought it over

1166
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,000
that pattern a lot of the native

1167
00:39:35,349 --> 00:39:33,839
americans were really impressed by it

1168
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,359
and really kind of put a lot of power

1169
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,359
into it as far as you know what they

1170
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:38,560
thought of it

1171
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:39,440
um

1172
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,480
good good friend of mine and and

1173
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,960
frequent guest on my podcast is a irish

1174
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,880
monk brother richard

1175
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,320
he's a capuchin

1176
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,800
franciscan monk from ireland and he is

1177
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:55,040
dealt with a lot of stuff like exorcisms

1178
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,800
and and so forth if people are having

1179
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:58,400
problems uh

1180
00:40:02,230 --> 00:40:00,800
with um you know aggressive ghosts or

1181
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,240
something a lot of times they'll call

1182
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:03,839
him out and so he's had a lot of

1183
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:05,839
experience with this and he told me

1184
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:08,240
recently of um

1185
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,839
one place he went where this house

1186
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:11,520
seemed to have a you know pretty

1187
00:40:17,430 --> 00:40:14,240
disturbing haunting going on they saw it

1188
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:17,440
was focused around they thought a a

1189
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,319
female who was like late teenage years i

1190
00:40:24,069 --> 00:40:22,560
believe i might have that wrong so he

1191
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:24,079
they're thinking basically poltergeist

1192
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,280
activity

1193
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,040
but he said one of the strange details

1194
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,440
was she had been living in i think like

1195
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:31,040
a loft above her parents garage or

1196
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,400
something like that sort of

1197
00:40:35,349 --> 00:40:34,079
a separate place and she had painted the

1198
00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:35,359
entire ceiling

1199
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:37,280
this red and black check

1200
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,720
pattern

1201
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:40,960
and he said

1202
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:43,760
for whatever reason they i don't know

1203
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:45,440
why they decided to do this and paint

1204
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,560
over that

1205
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:48,319
and they said

1206
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,839
you know whether it has something to do

1207
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:51,440
with or not when she painted over that

1208
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,599
pattern the the activity seemed to stop

1209
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:56,800
so

1210
00:41:01,349 --> 00:41:00,400
the pattern i you know i don't know what

1211
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,359
it is

1212
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,040
i've been writing a book on this and and

1213
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,119
that's my trouble i can't

1214
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,119
you know it's hard to know what to say

1215
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,000
because it's it's hard to determine

1216
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:11,680
you know what's going on there like i

1217
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,040
did the um is there any clan lure is

1218
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:17,119
involved with the pattern at all from

1219
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:18,839
scotland

1220
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,560
um like i said there's there's some yeah

1221
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,920
that that i brought and i'm drawing a

1222
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,599
blank on it right now i've done a little

1223
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,040
bit of research on that i need to dig in

1224
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,960
a little bit more on basically the

1225
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,640
different tartan patterns

1226
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:32,400
i see because it's not always red and

1227
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:34,640
black either some people say they're red

1228
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,920
black is by far it's a 85 plus of the

1229
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:39,359
case let's say there it's red and black

1230
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,720
but every now and then i'll get somebody

1231
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,240
said well i saw him

1232
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,839
or something like him but he was in a

1233
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:45,760
you know blue and black or you know

1234
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,040
whatever a different color check shirt

1235
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,280
we get occasional bigfoot

1236
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,040
as weird as it sounds people say i saw

1237
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,280
bigfoot but he was wearing a flannel

1238
00:42:03,349 --> 00:41:56,640
shirt

1239
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:03,359
you know really weird accounts but

1240
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:04,319
again

1241
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,920
you know this is this is where we live

1242
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:06,880
you know

1243
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,640
the realm of weirdness and

1244
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:12,720
like i said you can't

1245
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,560
you can't believe somebody when they say

1246
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,480
they they saw an eight-foot hairy

1247
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,400
monster and then not believe him when

1248
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,079
they say but he was wearing a torn up

1249
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,920
shirt like wow what are you gonna you

1250
00:42:25,910 --> 00:42:23,280
know

1251
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,920
well that account i sent you

1252
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,839
yeah i didn't know what to make of it

1253
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:30,079
and and you know they were traveling i

1254
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:31,839
think it was on 27 they were traveling

1255
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,640
out of

1256
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:34,480
westminster south

1257
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:36,960
heading towards mount airy

1258
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,920
and

1259
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,680
this guy was in a

1260
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:41,280
back seat and he looked over into this

1261
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:42,839
field he saw this

1262
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,560
deer

1263
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,599
and he said there was something about

1264
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,200
that deer it just looked weird and of

1265
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,760
course of deer everywhere but

1266
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,319
this thing turned into

1267
00:42:56,190 --> 00:42:55,119
manifest into a man wearing a a red

1268
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:56,200
flannel shirt

1269
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,680
[Music]

1270
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,319
i i i said well i gotta send i gotta get

1271
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,990
i i did you find anything extra on that

1272
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,760
or i talked to the guy and he said he

1273
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,359
was gonna talk to me and then you know

1274
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,040
this happens sometimes where people's

1275
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:13,680
they just kind of fade you know

1276
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,800
they say they're going to talk to you

1277
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,800
and then and i get it people have jobs

1278
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,240
and everything else and sometimes they

1279
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,319
can't they can't follow through so uh

1280
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,000
yeah i didn't get any more details than

1281
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,000
what you had but it's amazing account

1282
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,160
just really amazing weird

1283
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:28,240
yeah yeah i mean when you first started

1284
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:29,839
talking about it years ago i was

1285
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,200
thinking now i don't know what the hell

1286
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,599
tim's running into here but i haven't

1287
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:35,599
heard anything about this but i think

1288
00:43:39,430 --> 00:43:38,160
since then i have heard a few things but

1289
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:39,440
you know that one of course i had a

1290
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:40,720
witness

1291
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,599
and uh yeah it's weird

1292
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,400
yeah yeah so

1293
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,079
i don't know what you know i imagine

1294
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,720
there's like some other world

1295
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,960
work look you know where these guys are

1296
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,319
punching in every night and they hand

1297
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,760
them their uniform

1298
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,359
shirt and say yeah

1299
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,920
go go scare people no i i don't know i

1300
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,920
don't know what it is uh you know

1301
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:03,200
there's so there's so many different

1302
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,720
angles with it

1303
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,200
uh interesting like that dream chad had

1304
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,359
about the greys and gadors he said one

1305
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,440
of them was wearing a red flannel shirt

1306
00:44:16,230 --> 00:44:13,440
like you gotta be kidding me

1307
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:16,240
this is so so bizarre you know i don't

1308
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:18,079
think i've ever had but one bigfoot

1309
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,349
i cadores know like yeah and that was

1310
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,760
over by um

1311
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,839
that was all uh blooming grove road

1312
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:30,240
somewhere up near one of the first the

1313
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:31,599
first bridge areas you go across

1314
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:33,920
blooming grove road coming out of out of

1315
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,760
uh penn township that area there okay it

1316
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,200
was an area i used to go fishing at all

1317
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:41,040
the time as a kid

1318
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,640
uh but

1319
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,839
yeah i think that's the only place

1320
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:47,599
from pet lake

1321
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:50,480
that lake had you know they buried a lot

1322
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,480
of towns yep with that lake yeah uh i i

1323
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,640
know when i was a kid

1324
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,480
people were bitching about

1325
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:59,599
you know when they were building the

1326
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,000
project 70 they called it

1327
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,760
and uh

1328
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,079
yeah there were a lot of

1329
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,240
a lot of homes and

1330
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:10,800
churches and graveyards that got buried

1331
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,920
by that by reservoir yeah yeah there's

1332
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,440
still buildings under the water there i

1333
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,880
think i think if you go on youtube you

1334
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,359
can there's some scuba divers that that

1335
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:21,520
actually went down and filmed some of

1336
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:22,640
the videos

1337
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:25,280
or some of the buildings rather i i need

1338
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,200
to find that i'm pretty sure it's on

1339
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:29,200
it's on youtube but i heard recently

1340
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:30,720
there's a fault line that runs right

1341
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,400
under that lake i didn't know that

1342
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,480
i didn't either and uh you know i

1343
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,240
haven't done a ton of research about you

1344
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,680
know paranormal and fault lines it's

1345
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,839
something again i i read these things i

1346
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:41,119
follow them away and like someday i'll

1347
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,560
look into that

1348
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,720
but uh i'm sure there's some some

1349
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:46,079
correspondence between you know

1350
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,079
paranormal activity and fault yeah well

1351
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,920
you and i have talked about earthquake

1352
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,400
activity around here oh yeah and we've

1353
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,280
had some and uh

1354
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,040
you know i'd be sitting at home and i

1355
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:58,960
i'd feel a rumble and i'm thinking ah we

1356
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,880
just had a tremor and then you'd go on

1357
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,400
the internet you find yeah something

1358
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:04,400
happened a little far from here

1359
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:06,720
uh i mean that one that happened down in

1360
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:10,240
virginia about about 10 years ago or so

1361
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:11,760
literally knocked me out of my chair

1362
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:14,960
that day oh wow yeah were you still in

1363
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:16,560
maryland at that point yeah i was living

1364
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,480
down to randallstown and uh i was

1365
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:20,800
sitting on my my recliner

1366
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:23,920
working and uh it literally knocked me

1367
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,760
out of the chair wow

1368
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:26,800
yeah

1369
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,520
not too long ago

1370
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,839
that um

1371
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,359
was i think was centered in the pigeon

1372
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:37,920
hills over there oh really and we felt

1373
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:41,200
it yeah we felt it here

1374
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,599
so well that's another story pigeon

1375
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,800
hills

1376
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,640
i i've heard so many crazy stuff that

1377
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:48,319
happened over there

1378
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:49,119
yeah

1379
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,400
but

1380
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:55,359
so few places that that we can go

1381
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,319
i i met a woman there who had seen a an

1382
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:00,480
apparition basically walk out in front

1383
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,920
of her car is that right and uh

1384
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,640
very nice woman great witness

1385
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,560
you know and

1386
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,640
um

1387
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,640
she was uh stunned i mean she just said

1388
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,319
this thing she's like i thought i hit

1389
00:47:17,190 --> 00:47:16,079
this person like i thought i hit this

1390
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:17,200
person

1391
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:20,480
um and that was somewhat recently um

1392
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:21,359
maybe

1393
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:24,480
probably two years ago

1394
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,000
i met her out there it wouldn't have

1395
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,000
been up by the twin lakes area for the

1396
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,680
two lakes

1397
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,599
um not too far

1398
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:35,190
that's a that's a weird place because

1399
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:36,720
when we were kids we used to go up there

1400
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:38,640
drinking we saw all kinds of crazy stuff

1401
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:39,680
up there

1402
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:42,960
the yeah that along that lake it that's

1403
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:45,680
right off a lake road there yeah right

1404
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,480
yeah

1405
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,559
they've had i've heard stories of lights

1406
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:50,800
coming out of that lake is that right

1407
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:53,599
yeah yeah people seem like i don't know

1408
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,720
if usos or just spook lights or what but

1409
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,559
they said no actual lights coming out of

1410
00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:00,319
that that lake

1411
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,520
so yeah there's

1412
00:48:08,470 --> 00:48:04,079
again that's all glattfelder land too

1413
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,750
um

1414
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,920
you know i i had you come on the show on

1415
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,920
the premise that we talk about

1416
00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:16,160
well witchcraft or

1417
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,640
folk folk magic and stuff we'll talk a

1418
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,720
little bit about it sure uh and you

1419
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:22,559
wrote about it in your first book uh

1420
00:48:27,349 --> 00:48:25,599
about the ray meyer and uh nelson ray

1421
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,359
meyer and the uh

1422
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:30,480
and the pow wowers and all that uh

1423
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,000
give us a brief

1424
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,240
synopsis of what happened there back in

1425
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:36,400
the 20s

1426
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,000
so uh

1427
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,400
ray meyer was a guy who lived alone he

1428
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:43,119
was what they call powwow doctor

1429
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:45,040
around here and that is a

1430
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:46,319
form of local

1431
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:47,200
folk

1432
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,280
healing and and uh

1433
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:53,040
a lot of people say

1434
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,119
it's witchcraft it it really isn't it's

1435
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,040
it's based in it's a kind of form of

1436
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,720
christian folk magic really if you if

1437
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,559
you read the books

1438
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,960
and uh the thing about raymeyer is he he

1439
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,640
kind of helped his community i've done a

1440
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,559
lot of research on him i found a lot i'm

1441
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,839
kind of trying to piece together his

1442
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,440
life bit by bit

1443
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,160
from uh newspaper stories and stuff

1444
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,599
he was very interested in helping his

1445
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:15,440
community uh i believe he was on the

1446
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:16,640
school board

1447
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,920
at the time

1448
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,800
uh

1449
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,880
interesting guy lived alone though even

1450
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,400
though he was married my one of my

1451
00:49:25,829 --> 00:49:23,839
favorite quotes is they they talked to

1452
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,839
his wife and they said yeah i won't live

1453
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:27,680
with him he's too damn peculiar which i

1454
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:28,800
thought was a

1455
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,640
funny quote

1456
00:49:34,069 --> 00:49:32,160
uh

1457
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,079
marie mars hollow back at the time

1458
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,440
there could have been much there there's

1459
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:37,440
not a heck of a lot there now i'm i'm

1460
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:38,640
thinking he might have been the only

1461
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,119
house in the hollow probably

1462
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,680
maybe a couple others

1463
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:45,839
but um

1464
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,280
some uh this other guy blimeyer got the

1465
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,119
notion that he had had a curse put on

1466
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,920
him and he started uh going around to

1467
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,160
other pow-wow doctors to try to you know

1468
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,880
get it taken off and he eventually

1469
00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:00,559
stumbled into this woman

1470
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:01,839
who they call

1471
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:04,319
in the book hex they they call her um

1472
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,839
nelly knoll i don't know why they

1473
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,440
changed her name it's she's in the

1474
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,119
newspaper with her real name her name

1475
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:10,960
was emma knopp

1476
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:12,720
and she lived in marietta

1477
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:13,839
they called her the river witch of

1478
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,079
marietta she's super interesting i've

1479
00:50:21,510 --> 00:50:18,800
done a lot of research on her uh she was

1480
00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:21,520
a cut wife she was given abortions back

1481
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:22,720
then

1482
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,240
uh i heard that yeah yeah so she was she

1483
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:28,079
was uh you know

1484
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,480
she hung out with a rough crowd for sure

1485
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,480
uh but she supposedly according to

1486
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,559
blymeyer he handed her

1487
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:36,240
a dollar bill

1488
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,839
and she folded it up and handed it back

1489
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:39,599
to him and said this is after several

1490
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,000
visits to her and she said unfold it and

1491
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,160
you will see the face of the person

1492
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,760
who cursed you and when he supposedly

1493
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:47,520
when he unfolds his dollar bill he sees

1494
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:49,680
nelson raymar's face

1495
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,760
so he decides he's you know she she

1496
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:53,520
tells him you gotta break the curse you

1497
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:54,480
gotta

1498
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:56,480
either get a lock of his hair or his hex

1499
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,920
book and bury it six feet underground

1500
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,200
so he's uh

1501
00:51:05,670 --> 00:51:02,960
kind of afraid to do this himself raymar

1502
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,680
was a big guy he's not he was a big man

1503
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,680
over six feet tall and pretty pretty

1504
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,680
imposing guy

1505
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,680
uh so he starts recruiting other people

1506
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,920
he finds a couple other people uh that

1507
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,480
are down on their luck uh i think the

1508
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,800
curry boy and um

1509
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,319
i'm drawing a blank on the other name

1510
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:22,319
another local farmers who were having

1511
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,640
they were having bad time

1512
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,960
and uh basically convinces them that

1513
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,400
they've had curses put on them too and

1514
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,839
that it was raymar

1515
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,520
they go down and visit them raymar

1516
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,280
welcomes him into this house says come

1517
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:35,599
on in lets them stay the night and they

1518
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,480
stay the night the first night

1519
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:40,079
seemed to have a genial conversation

1520
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:41,680
give them breakfast in the morning sends

1521
00:51:46,069 --> 00:51:44,000
them on their way

1522
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,079
um during the night they were too scared

1523
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,680
to go so it was rumored that raymeyer

1524
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:49,440
kept his his hex book

1525
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:51,520
so-called textbook in the basement they

1526
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,599
were too afraid to go down there even

1527
00:51:57,670 --> 00:51:55,280
and look for it

1528
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,680
so they come back the next night and

1529
00:52:02,470 --> 00:51:59,680
they ask him uh

1530
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,480
supposedly they said where is it

1531
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,200
and he he said what

1532
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,559
and uh

1533
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,079
they asked him again and supposedly he

1534
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:09,359
took out his wallet you know this is

1535
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,760
1928 he probably thought they wanted

1536
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:13,440
money you know

1537
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:14,720
and uh

1538
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,079
they i guess they took that to him being

1539
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,040
sarcastic or or you know trying to avoid

1540
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,480
uh giving them the hex book and they

1541
00:52:26,790 --> 00:52:23,839
they ended up beating them to death with

1542
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,800
a chair and a block of wood

1543
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,559
set his house on fire to try to get rid

1544
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:31,440
of the evidence but it didn't take

1545
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,200
a couple days later one of his neighbors

1546
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,119
his neighbors heard i think his mule was

1547
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,640
braying or something

1548
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:39,040
uh because it was hungry hadn't been fed

1549
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,800
and went down to see what was wrong and

1550
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:42,800
that's that's when they found him and

1551
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:45,359
then all heck breaks loose then then the

1552
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:47,119
the you know the hex trials so-called

1553
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,480
happens and

1554
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,200
a lot of um in them in the press

1555
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:52,880
pennsylvanias are pennsylvanians are

1556
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:54,240
kind of portrayed as these backwards

1557
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,920
people that still believe in witchcraft

1558
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,440
and stuff and

1559
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:59,280
it was a mess it was a real mess and did

1560
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,040
a lot of harm to the tradition of powwow

1561
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,000
i think yeah well you know in the in the

1562
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:05,760
in the laws of the state it's still

1563
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,160
illegal in pennsylvania

1564
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:11,119
uh to charge for it i believe yeah yeah

1565
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,280
oh to charge for it oh okay yeah uh

1566
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:17,599
yeah i was kind of raised up in that

1567
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,520
you know i knew all about it raymar was

1568
00:53:23,349 --> 00:53:21,359
a great great uncle on my my

1569
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,359
grandmother's side

1570
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,599
so we knew the story of course when the

1571
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:27,680
book came out back in the 60s i think it

1572
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:30,240
was hex yeah and folks you want to read

1573
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:31,040
a

1574
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:59,040
i pick them up i find used copies

1575
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:00,480
locally

1576
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,160
oh yeah yeah yeah then it's a great book

1577
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,839
i ought to go back and read it again i

1578
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,200
think i've read it three or four times

1579
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,000
but i always enjoyed it yeah it's i went

1580
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,680
back and kind of paged through it

1581
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,400
recently and there's a lot of um

1582
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,760
and i'd forgotten about this there's a

1583
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,680
lot he talks to a lot of other local pow

1584
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,839
hours yeah he does and names them and

1585
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,520
and basically

1586
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,280
i'm kind of working on doing a sort of a

1587
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:25,359
family tree of these local pow hours who

1588
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:27,920
taught who and and et cetera it's very

1589
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:29,599
interesting um

1590
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:31,520
yes it's a good book it is a really good

1591
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:32,960
book

1592
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,200
you know it really is i mean i you know

1593
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,520
like i said i have a i grew up around it

1594
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,119
and of course you hear all the stories

1595
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:40,720
about all these different pow hours and

1596
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:41,839
then

1597
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:44,079
you know

1598
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,760
this pennsylvania had a lot of

1599
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,960
witchcraft anyway going way way back and

1600
00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:50,160
you know

1601
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,040
up in the south mountain area there's

1602
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:54,640
you know into maryland there were a lot

1603
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:56,960
of witches up there and

1604
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,760
i had heard stories going up pine grove

1605
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,040
road from

1606
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,359
caledonia past to uh

1607
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:05,119
the whole way up and through misho up

1608
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,839
into laurel lake area about all the

1609
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,359
witches they used to live up there in

1610
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,200
the mountains and such so you know you

1611
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,119
hear a lot of stories

1612
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:15,680
but uh yeah

1613
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,559
i mean

1614
00:55:21,430 --> 00:55:18,640
so the logic kind of follows so the idea

1615
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,440
some of what pow out doctors did

1616
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,359
was to find witches

1617
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,230
break the curses or or essentially

1618
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,760
in the long lost friend the book is

1619
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,760
you're basically

1620
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:34,160
basically the the charms amount to

1621
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:35,839
whatever they're trying to do to you

1622
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:38,000
gets thrown back on the on to them right

1623
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,520
right i understand the idea of people

1624
00:55:43,750 --> 00:55:41,520
like well if they can find witches and

1625
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,760
do that they could easily be witches

1626
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,960
themselves

1627
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,839
so

1628
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,599
a lot of these powwow doctors get

1629
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,839
accused of being witches even though i

1630
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,760
don't think they technically were but

1631
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,000
also a lot of them were too you know a

1632
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:55,599
lot of them were doing both yeah a lot

1633
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,040
of them did a little bit black magic i

1634
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:58,720
mean you know if you're familiar with

1635
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,960
appalachian folk magic it's pretty

1636
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,359
similar to what pow hours are it's about

1637
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,680
a lot of conjuring and stuff but you

1638
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,680
know in the long lost friend they have

1639
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:10,480
these formulas and these spells but

1640
00:56:14,309 --> 00:56:12,640
they're mostly based on the bible and a

1641
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,319
lot of other things but

1642
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,720
yeah it's an it's an interesting even

1643
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,559
even the the old

1644
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:21,359
the old long-lost friend book is is

1645
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:22,960
interesting to read

1646
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:25,359
uh i don't really believe in most of it

1647
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,559
uh you know

1648
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,400
though i've seen some weird things

1649
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,960
before and of course and um

1650
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,280
but uh yeah it's uh

1651
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,760
it's just part of what we are here

1652
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:37,839
it's a fascinating history it really is

1653
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,160
fascinating and uh yeah long lost friend

1654
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,839
is it's

1655
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:43,359
it's amazing book there's some depth

1656
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:46,240
there it seems at first it seems

1657
00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:53,510
silly in in some places you know but uh

1658
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,319
if you consider like the sources um

1659
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:58,720
homan who published it you know he drew

1660
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,000
from a lot of different sources a lot of

1661
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,400
people say it's plagiarism

1662
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:04,720
i first of all if it's supposed to be

1663
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,160
true and these people believed it to be

1664
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:08,240
true then it's not plagiarism then he's

1665
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:10,480
just repeating you know

1666
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,920
a true thing that that he found

1667
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,280
somewhere else

1668
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:15,280
uh but it's it's uh

1669
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,799
you know it's it's an interesting book

1670
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:18,400
and it's an interesting

1671
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:20,720
look into the beliefs of the of the past

1672
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,000
which is

1673
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:23,839
it's quite interesting these people live

1674
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,559
with

1675
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,280
they had to make sure their crops were

1676
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:29,119
in at the right time no wonder they got

1677
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,119
superstitious about it you know if your

1678
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,960
crops fail you're in a world of trouble

1679
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:34,640
yeah these people are all from your

1680
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,559
world and uh you know the pennsylvania

1681
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:38,240
dutch you know the you know not the

1682
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:39,200
amish but i'm talking about the

1683
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,720
pennsylvania that's the later ones that

1684
00:57:44,309 --> 00:57:42,480
came in they brought all that here of

1685
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,319
course that's where we got all these

1686
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:46,160
upright canine

1687
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,200
uh

1688
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,280
wolfman

1689
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:51,599
legends and sightings and stuff too

1690
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:54,720
because a lot of these earlier witnesses

1691
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:57,599
especially down in maryland were

1692
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:00,319
were these uh pennsylvania dutch farmers

1693
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,880
yeah very strong level of tradition yeah

1694
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:04,079
absolutely

1695
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:04,960
so

1696
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,119
it's crazy it's a crazy area we live in

1697
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,440
now i'll agree with you there so

1698
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,280
that's it's like i tell people it's as

1699
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,799
far as what i'm doing with writing the

1700
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:14,319
books and strange familiars and all this

1701
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,040
stuff

1702
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:17,119
good place to be yeah you never have to

1703
00:58:20,549 --> 00:58:19,119
go too far for something strange so

1704
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:20,559
let's show everybody what you're up to

1705
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:23,839
what you what you got coming up and uh

1706
00:58:26,990 --> 00:58:25,760
how they get in contact with you

1707
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:27,000
uh

1708
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:28,880
strangefamiliars.com is where you can

1709
00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:30,960
find my podcast and all that contact

1710
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:33,040
information goes right to me

1711
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:35,920
there i am uh i just did a cover for a

1712
00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,839
comic book department of truth it's kind

1713
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,119
of like a

1714
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:41,760
paranormal comic by image comics i just

1715
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:44,000
did a a variant cover for that not the

1716
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:45,920
cover you'll see on the newsstand

1717
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,640
that was fun and then i'm taking on a

1718
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,319
i'm illustrating a book about the undead

1719
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,000
i didn't write this one i'm i'm

1720
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,240
illustrating it uh it's a

1721
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:55,760
you know book that had been published

1722
00:59:01,270 --> 00:58:58,799
decades and decades ago okay that uh

1723
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,280
we are reprinting some that's the first

1724
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,119
time i'll be working with um

1725
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:05,040
another publisher and

1726
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,200
so i'll be illustrating that and

1727
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,720
hopefully i'll get some of these other

1728
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:11,280
books out uh working on a couple books

1729
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,480
that have to do with pennsylvania

1730
00:59:18,309 --> 00:59:15,359
folklore and i got a book on uh another

1731
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,319
book on bigfoot historical stuff on the

1732
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:20,240
way i just need to

1733
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:21,680
i have all the reports i just need to

1734
00:59:25,349 --> 00:59:22,880
type them up

1735
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:25,359
and then uh probably more bigfoot

1736
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,640
i won't be getting away from that

1737
00:59:30,549 --> 00:59:28,400
anytime soon

1738
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:30,559
well tim you're not gonna have to get

1739
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,839
together soon it's been a while and uh

1740
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,040
uh

1741
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,839
yeah i i i know we were talking about

1742
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,520
this bridge i can get is where we need

1743
00:59:44,470 --> 00:59:42,000
to take a day up there sometime and just

1744
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:44,480
look around go up to me show maybe get

1745
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:46,799
the team together and go up to me show

1746
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:49,119
sometime this summer or whenever all

1747
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:52,000
this covered crap stops but yeah

1748
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,359
absolutely

1749
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,960
well if we're outside i feel definitely

1750
00:59:58,150 --> 00:59:57,280
more comfortable yeah absolutely yeah

1751
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,160
okay

1752
01:00:01,990 --> 01:00:00,079
well you take it easy and thanks again

1753
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:02,000
for coming on and i'll be talking to you

1754
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:03,839
soon sounds great lon have a good one

1755
01:00:08,470 --> 01:00:06,880
you take care you too

1756
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:08,480
now if you have an unexplained encounter

1757
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:10,079
or setting feel free to contact me

1758
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,599
through the phantoms and monsters blog

1759
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:13,839
site i want to again thank tim renner

1760
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,920
for joining me this evening and uh

1761
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,280
thanks to each and all of you for

1762
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,040
watching and chatting

1763
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,440
if you made a super chat donation um

1764
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,440
it's truly appreciated and your support

1765
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,520
is what makes this possible please like

1766
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:27,200
subscribe and share

1767
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,119
now next week

1768
01:00:33,910 --> 01:00:31,280
we will be doing a tribute to our friend

1769
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:33,920
and associate butch witkowski

1770
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,799
so joining me will be sean forker eric

1771
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,440
altman and dave scott so make sure that

1772
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,119
you join us for that

1773
01:00:53,810 --> 01:00:42,960
so until next week stay healthy and have

1774
01:00:53,820 --> 01:01:06,460
[Music]

1775
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:31,520
[Applause]

1776
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:37,870
[Music]

1777
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:45,410
so

1778
01:02:01,480 --> 01:01:59,520
[Music]

1779
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:01,490
so